Ibidun Roberts: Of course, and we just talked about it, Tom, but the official time even with the executives, and obviously we do not agree with the legality, the law requires the VA and the union to agree on what will be in the official time. We do not think it can be determined unilaterally. But even with that, the VA has so many factors that require the union to occupy more than one hour per bargaining unit. Here, too, we have just mentioned the Accountability Act, no other authority deals with the same law. This association cannot therefore be treated like others if we are faced with this unique law which reduces the time of these serious actions, it in turn includes expulsions. Under Minister Shulkin, he also limited the amount of settlements that could emerge from these actions. If a colony demanded more than $5,000, it had to be more favorable. And what we`ve seen is that the VA is not so open to business resolution. So there will be more files moving forward, which means we will take more time. So we have a few unique factors that would take us more formal time than some other unions would, some other non-VA unions would. And I think history shows that we are not looking for more time than we need. Our current contract gives us 4.25 hours per rate unit employee, OPM report shows that we use about 3.7 hours.

So we don`t pack on time, we use what we need, and the factors of the liability law, not settling cases – actually require that we need more time rather than less. Tom Temin: Normally, one of the questions is how long the agreement will be in place. Is that something you don`t agree with? Executive Order (EO) 13836, Developing Efficient, Effective, and Cost-Reducing Approaches to Federal Sector Collective Bargaining, signed by the President on May 25, 2018, requires agencies to submit any long-term collective agreement (CBA) and its expiry date within 30 days of the CBA`s entry into force. EO 13836 also requires OPM to make these CBAs available to the public on the internet. This promotes transparency by allowing the public to consult the types of agreements between federal agencies and industry unions. Agencies are also required to submit arbitration awards to OPM within 10 business days of receipt. OPM has issued a memorandum on the publication of the CBA database, which contains guidelines on agency requirements for CBAs and arbitration awards.